Jeremy Carl is a Senior Fellow of the Claremont Institute, a former official in the Trump administration, and the author of the book “The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart.”
In this episode, we discuss his new book, the journey he took in writing it, and his hopes for its impact.
Topics discussed:
His Jonah and the Whale Story of Writing
The Most Subversive Chapter in His Book
How India Shaped His Views on Race
The Invention of An Ethnicity
The Evil of White Progressives
Young White Men Flirting with Far Rightness
The Role of Asian Americans To Help
His Vision for the Success of the Book
For more about Jeremy Carl, please visit:
https://twitter.com/realJeremyCarl
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FULL MONOLOGUE:
Courage is in short supply these days, the true kind of courage that says aloud what must be said, regardless of the cost.
But let’s be clear about something: in these moments, how we say that courageous thing matters as much as the thing that is said. Because the truth is a sharp-edged blade, and if you’ve ever handled a blade, you know that it can do many things.
First, blades are used to separate this from that. You cut off one piece of the steak so you can eat it. Or you cut the wrapping paper to the appropriate size to make a gift. In language, we call this discernment, differentiation, or sometimes the very bad, evil word discrimination, when we discriminate between this and that.
But of course, that’s not all a blade can do, and perhaps not even the thing you think of first. A blade can be used to penetrate, to wound, to rend, and to kill, like a sword. And the sword itself doesn’t know the difference between friend and foe. That’s up to you.
The final thing a blade can do, however, is heal, like a scalpel. You cut open the skin gently, precisely, to facilitate the administration of medicine or release internal pressure.
It’s this final use of blades that represents more of the kind of courage we need today. Yes, of course, discernment and differentiation in language are key. And indeed, righteous combat in language is also needed.
But the wielding of a sharp blade for the purposes of healing, to draw blood intentionally but in a very precise and sensitive location, with delicacy and skill? That’s the kind of courage we desperately need today from more men.
Which brings me to my guest this week. His name is Jeremy Carl, and he’s a senior fellow at the conservative think tank, the Claremont Institute, a former official in the 2016 Trump administration, and the author of the book “The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart.”
Now, last I heard, anti-white racism was not a thing, right? It doesn’t exist. An oxymoron. An impossibility.
Well, naturally, we know it’s a thing. We see and increasingly feel it, especially since the Summer of Love in 2020 during the George Floyd riots. Except no one is allowed to say anything.
Well, thank God for Jeremy because he said something. Finally, someone had the courage to. But it’s not just what he said but HOW he said it that matters. Because he could have written a book in an academic tone, simply saying, “This is not that” and refraining from making a moral judgment in what he saw.
Or he could have written a polemic, swinging a sword wildly in the public square, shouting, as many men, anonymous or otherwise, do on social media.
But instead of those two ineffective approaches, Mr. Carl took his long years of writing and study and wrote his truth like a scalpel, making very precise cuts to relieve internal pressure.
Rather than writing as a statistician or a barbarian, he wrote like a surgeon, with the intent to inform, inspire, motivate, and heal.
Whether Mr. Carl were my guest on my podcast or not, I would still give this book my highest recommendation. Even if you don’t read about politics, I still think you should read this one. Because as they say, you may not be interested in politics, but politics is surely interested in you. Mr. Carl’s book “The Unprotected Class” will show you how that’s true and what you can begin to do about it for yourself, your children, and our future.
And since Mr. Carl is the guest on my podcast this week, you get to hear from him personally about all this and more.
In our conversation, we discussed:
His Jonah and the Whale story of writing
The most subversive chapter in his book
How India shaped his views on race
The invention of an ethnicity
The evil of white progressives
Young white men flirting with far-rightness
The role of Asian Americans to help
His vision for the success of the book
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And please welcome this week’s guest on the podcast, the author of “The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart,” Jeremy Carl.
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